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Re: Advanced save Omega vs Terrans Khaoran Heyoun

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I'm at turn #370. I went back to see if I could reduce the conflict with the Khaoran. They wanted a friendship or a co-op treaty which would be insane. I reduced espionage and sabotage and offered a non-aggressive pact which was denied. I offered a trade treaty which was also denied. Instead they took out 5-6 colony ships which was foolish as I came right back with espionage and sabotage and took out the low level ships.

This is my fault for showing mercy. This is a foreign concept to the AI. It will beg for mercy, then backstab you...every...single...time. Never again will I show an inkling of mercy.

The feedback for breaking treaties should be configured very strong for the Terrans and Khaoran. I'll have to mod it now as it's not how I would configure it.

What I would like to do is have standard major aliens and a "good and noble version" as an alternative. If so, then I plan to have civil war show up too where some major aliens have a schism and split into very different competitors.

Imagine the Terran Empire vs. the Federation. But my guess is without some very intense (ie punative) morale check on breaking treaties, it won't hold true and the AI always ends up evil. It's why you never let the AI in charge of nuclear weapons.
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I might be able to load a turn #400 later tonight. This set me back as I was trying to go easier on them. In a week or so, I might have a turn#700 of this.

It's difficult to do any setups as the AI is so untrustworthy meaning colony ships or starbases during construction have to have escorts. It means a far heavier military presence then I want at this stage which causes a kneejerk AI reaction. And already the Khaoran were sending fleets (which they lost in pointless engagements).
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One good aspect is the AI Khaoran went way out of its way heading south then southwest and skirted around the far southwestern border and attacked there. It means I screwed up and should have put star bases and a colony there to dispatch a strong fleet.

I'd rather let the AI alone, but I have to do a token show of force to harass any AI doing probes. The map is wide open so it is so foolish rather like missiles in Turkey by the US which threatened the USSR and they did the same in during the Cuban missile crisis.
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So far as I'm approaching turn #400 as the Omega, I have 130,000 internal security points, but I am actively doing espionage/sabotage against the Khaoran and only had nominal ineffectual diplomatic sabotage likely from the Khaoran, whereas I have zero sabotage targets as I have sabotaged them all. My military sabotage is at 212% and it automatically launches sabotage targets. My intelligence operatives are persistently doing small missions against troops now.

If I was really ruthless (as the Cartare), I would do direct economic sabotage and take out the Khaoran civillians.

That's the antithesis of who I am.

Never forget that just before WW2, FDR strongly condemned aerial bombing of civilians during war raids in the harshest political language, then FDR plus Truman ruthlessly and maniacally allowed 1.25 million Japanese civillians to be firebombed by standard bombardment (under the criminally insane Curtis LeMay) plus Truman then allowed 250,000 incinerated by nuclear bombs. LeMay was a genocidal monster who wanted to burn all the civillians and so wanted Truman not to interfere with nuclear bombs, but keep them in reserve.

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay
He's plausibly the most malevolent demonic military leader in US history.
Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.... Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier.
Curtis LeMay

We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, someway or another, and some in South Korea too.… Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — twenty percent of the population of Korea as direct casualties of war, or from starvation and exposure?
Strategic Air Warfare: An Interview with Generals (1988), p. 88.
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What I want to do is have the Khaoran fight the Cartare and employing every trick I've learned then building massive intelligence agencies and crushing them through invasions. That is a Herculean task as Cartare ships are good but their sabotage capabilities nigh impossible to beat. It's probably not possible without modding. Just the two of them in either an empty 40x40 galaxy or a fully populated by minor alien races galaxy. The Khaoran ships maxed out on their tech plus minor race tech should be unstoppable. There would only be the most miniscule chances of surviving to turn 700. They would need 3-4 colonies for every Cartare to withstand the sabotage...maybe 5.

Imagine the Khaoran ships with the best cloaking and the ultimate weaponry from the minor races!

One idea is an impossibly strong new major alien race that is reclusive and isolationist unless provoked (like the Organians) who then is sabotaged and becomes like the Borg and then systematically assimilates their enemies in a giant galaxy.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Organian

It would be like Gort from The Day the Earth Stands Still going against 1950s humans.
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Turn 382
I have 69 inhabited systems and they have 23-25 systems.
My GNP, productivity, and research are nearly 3 times their's.

The last sabotage took out 13 Khaoran type 1 security buildings. I've been sabotaging automatically every turn. In desperation, they sent me 1000 credits, but why should I stop?

Every turn I'm taking out valuable troops of their's. I'm curious who is last place militarily. I suspect the Terrans are #1, and I am just shy of their score with multiple Samech ships and Sajins. I have a respectable number of level 5 troops too.

Apparently the Khaoran AI will always attack unallied colony ships without escorts. The Khaoran raiders hang around uselessly except to keep me on my toes.

My goal is to complete level 8 research by turn 400. This would be a good starting advanced save game. I had hoped to have no enemies this early which seems impossible. Having 10 intel agencies per system keeps sabotag nearly nonexistent, but at the cost of far less workers. Considering that 30 billion is often how many citizens are working, it seems woefully inefficient.

I have energy intensive defenses which I could power down and so put those people to work, but this way when people play the saved game, it's already configured.

I could trim down intelligence points, but I keep waiting for the Terrans or the Heyoun to pull a sabotage round. So far so good.

I tried to induce the Terrans and Heyoun to do a war pact against the Khaoran, but they were not interested. My diplomatic stance induces a very high enthusiastic response from both. That would have pulled away the Khaoran raiders and set them all at odds. They are currently allied with the Omega and Khaoran (for some bizarre reason).

A huge amount of intelligence points are being wasted as those workers could be making ships and troops or mining resources.

The way I play, I most often end up rushing production which inflates resource prices and see my excess to get the resources at reduced prices and since resource routing takes an enormous amount of time, just skip it as a cost of doing business.
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I'm not sure how scoring is done as obviously I have vastly superior military technology so the scoring may look at total ships...which is meaningless. It's irrelevant how many colony ships there are. It should be combat ships with a weighted score based on their weaponry and armor class plus outposts/starbases.

My systems have extensive defenses so obviously they don't and couldn't attack these systems.

I'm going to use imgur or similar to save attachment slots. And load at various points so people could start all along the way. I guess I could create a google drive of these as a repository.

As I get more comfortable playing, I'll create various difficulty levels or rate of expansion levels (this governs range/speed). Really you want this on classic, but have advanced tech that alters it.
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It's so pointless to send useless probes deep in my territory. The Khaoran should protect their territory instead of being provocative. I may send a couple fleets in to pester their capital to force them to protect their territory, but doing so risks starting a war pact against the Omega, if the Terrans and Heyound moronically join in.

Maybe mirroring such border tests/probes is the solution just as the Russians do with Alaska, so the USA does it right back?
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I'm in the 390+ range and research is on track to complete level 8 as 3 are done and at level 9 and the other 3 will soon follow.

I'm mustering ground forces and nearly in the #1 military slot. My research is 2x the AI, GDP is 3x, the Omega have 3x the inhabited systems.

It's more conservative as the save game is closer to #400 so I can load a playable defensible robust Omega empire every 100 turns. Or just have it at turn# 700 and not attack directly but muster a significant military presence.

If I leave it open ended, it's better for other players, not for me. I consider these gifts to the community as in March, I wish there were advanced save games as I would have played them.
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At advanced levels of turns, I could have military academies and be sending ships to gain experience. Ordinarily that would have begun happening at turn#300, but 10 intelligence agencies is restricting workers.

Then not only will troops and ships be mustered by veterans and high level ships appropriate for flagships to lead fleets.

Then your first task playing the save game would be logistics to redeploy from a central hub for 15-20 turns to mount invasions.
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This save game is unique as often by turn #340, sabotage ruins BotE for new players. What I suggest is such advanced save games be packaged with the next BotE release so more people would understand how to play and would leave more positive detailed comments on GooglePlay.

BotE is vastly superior to Uciana even though that is fine wargaming software with better graphics. BotE is older but elegant and does far MORE and is highly complex.

If players have an advanced turn 400, 500, 600, 700 saved games, yet sabotage is controlled, then few would complain as it's strategically plausible to deal with. The issue is inadequate documentation and in German and discovered by 1000+ hours of play.
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No manual will ever explain the game mechanics as well as advanced save games where the new player tries techniques to learn how to play. Then I could write a BotE manual in some crossplatform like EPUB and people could "toggle" between playing BotE and readig the documentation.

I envy PC gamers playing BotE as you get better galaxy maps and can easily mod it. I would have released an entire mod by now if I had the Windows version. I stopped modding on pcs about 3 years ago and have been playing a big Civ2 Star Trek mod that I mapped for the last year, plus a Sengoku samurai campaign I modded.
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Anyone can sign up as a member and send me a PM. Maybe someone is a musician, and another is an graphic designer, and another is a coder. We could make a fantastic mod for Android tablets by collaborating. The issue is how to share it as most can't run a BotE mod unless it gets a release somehow packaged with the official BotE version.

It has to be your own music or art as copyright can't be an issue. I would love to have 50 ships and 50 troops and whole levels of tech to at least level 20 (so six more levels).

We need graphics for 3 new major alien races as alternatives. We could use opposite major aliens like "good and noble versions" or an evil Terran Coalition. Then we could have a civil war mod.

BotE has no way to change the music ogg files. It's easier to use a media player in the background. I suggest people visit TrekCore as they have all the series music legally but not for inclusion in any mod or program, but for personal use.
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That playing in the background is awesome.
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For decades, chess enthusiasts tried to get more people globally to play chess as it enforces higher order logical thinking and tactics and strategy. The Asians tried to foster playing "go" as it's more complicated.

BotE is 20 times harder. The best way to stimulate young minds and even any adult (like an older person to slow down cognitive decline) is to play BotE. I don't know of a single tablet game that is its peer in this regard. There has never been so much to micromanage.
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Turn #400 at the start.
The Omega have about 2x the science of the AI and 2.5x the GDP and productivity. They are closing the gap on #1 for the military. I would say the gap between the others and the Omega is akin to 50-75 years ahead...at least as the infrastructure is likely significantly better overall.

The Khaoran have been stymied by all the sabotage and have had several ships captured by the Omega. A few turns ago, 24 level 2 security buildings were blown up on Tania! They are building excessive intel buildings to no avail. I felt pity for them and offered a nonaggression pact for an indefinite period, but they refused it! No empire would ever show such an act of mercy. They foolishly tried multiple fleets and ground invasions headed my way, but were interdicted and annihilated. It wasn't even sporting as I had a 99% chance of success. It was like a battleship fighting a canoe.

They have 24 inhabited systems. The Heyoun have 30. The Terrans are somewhere between. The latter two are on ethusiastic terms with me diplomatically. The Omega have 79 inhabited systems.

Most systems have some kind of defenses. I did route resources to Omega Alpha to make it easier to progress better infrastructure.

You have a starting treasury of ~58,000 credits. Mostly income is from cashing out surplus resources. Deuterium has crept up to ~400. I suggest you profit from this to gain significant credits which is up to you on where to spend it. I suggest you put it right back into infrastructure.

Your military is strong and some are acting as escorts but most are in fleets deployed in "hot spots".

I would be wary of the Heyoun. They don't like economic competitors and positioning themselves to grow and so they might try risky economic sabotage soon.

The Terrans have a slight chance of doing the same, but probably against research or military assets.

Septimus has significant energy reserves so that might be a good place to put energy intensive buildings, rather than creating energy resources to power something up.

I deployed colony ships and they are busy terraforming. Otherwise, this would be a great start position as the Omega.

You lack more than one transport. You can't even think about a ground invasion...yet. It would be pointless as every turn, the Omega intel operatives are taking out military assets left and right.

I bet in excess of 20+ Khaoran troops have been assassinated. I haven't lost any real military battles, just futile Khaoran raiding of colony ships.

I suggest you make some transports and create outposts then starbases. I didn't get around to this. Advancing scanning is going on as early warning systems. The Heyoun and plausibly the Terrans have got to be wondering about the Omega military assessment.

Zero points are allocated to espionage for either the Terrans or Heyoun. That is me roleplaying and intentionally being naive. I suggest you remedy this by trimming the 33% spent on the Khaoran down to 5%. Prudence dictates doing at least 5% and maybe 10% for the Terrans and Heyoun.

This would be a near perfect start as the Omega on the easy difficulty for the BotE main version as straight away there is scant risk (not even minimal) of getting sabotaged. You would have to genuinely screw up over and over to not win using this advanced save game. Even a 12 year old not knowing anything should be able to win.
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